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1 To: python-list
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2 Subject: comp.lang.python RFD again
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3 From: Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl
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4
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5 I've followed the recent discussion and trimmed the blurb RFD down a bit
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6 (and added the word "object-oriented" to the blurb).
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7
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8 I don't think it's too early to *try* to create the newsgroup --
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9 whether we will succeed may depend on how many Python supporters there
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10 are outside the mailing list.
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11
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12 I'm personally not worried about moderation, and anyway I haven't
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13 heard from any volunteers for moderation (and I won't volunteer
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14 myself) so I suggest that we'll continue to ask for one unmoderated
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15 newsgroup.
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16
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17 My next action will be to post an updated FAQ (which will hint at the
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18 upcoming RFD) to comp.lang.misc; then finalize the 1.0.0 release and
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19 put it on the ftp site. I'll also try to get it into
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20 comp.sources.unix or .misc. And all this before the end of January!
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21
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22 --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl>
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23 URL: <http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Guido.van.Rossum.html>
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24
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25 ======================================================================
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27 These are the steps required (in case you don't know about the
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28 newsgroup creation process):
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29
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30 First, we need to draw up an RFD (Request For Discussion). This is a
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31 document that tells what the purpose of the group is, and gives a case
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32 for its creation. We post this to relevant groups (comp.lang.misc,
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33 the mailing list, news.groups, etc.) Discussion is held on
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34 news.groups.
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35
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36 Then, after a few weeks, we run the official CFV (Call For Votes).
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37 The votes are then collected over a period of weeks. We need 100 more
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38 yes votes than no votes, and a 2/3 majority, to get the group.
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39
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40 There are some restrictions on the vote taker: [s]he cannot actively
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41 campaign for/against the group during the vote process. So the main
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42 benefit to Steve instead of me running the vote is that I will be free
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43 to campaign for its creation!
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44
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45 The following is our current draft for the RFD.
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47 ======================================================================
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48
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49 Request For Discussion: comp.lang.python
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50
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51
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52 Purpose
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53 -------
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54
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55 The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language.
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56 Possible topics include requests for information, general programming,
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57 development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated.
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58
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59
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60 What is Python?
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61 ---------------
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62
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63 Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in
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64 Amsterdam. Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,
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65 with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++.
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66
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67 Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic
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68 nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for
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69 general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,
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70 C, Modula,...
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71
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72 Python may be FTP'd from the following sites:
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73
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74 ftp.cwi.nl in directory /pub/python (its "home site", also has a FAQ)
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75 ftp.uu.net in directory /languages/python
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76 gatekeeper.dec.com in directory /pub/plan/python/cwi
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77
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78
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79 Rationale
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80 ---------
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81
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82 Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers.
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83 The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the
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84 traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We
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85 also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum
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86 for this volume of discussion on a particular language.
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87
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88
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89 Charter
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90 -------
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91
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92 Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve
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93 as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The
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94 group will serve both those who just program in Python and
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95 those who work on developing the language. Topics that
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96 may be discussed include:
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97
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98 - announcements of new versions of the language and
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99 applications written in Python.
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100
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101 - discussion on the internals of the Python language.
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102
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103 - general information about the language.
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104
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105 - discussion on programming in Python.
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106
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107
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108 Discussion
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109 ----------
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110
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111 Any objections to this RFD will be considered and, if determined
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112 to be appropriate, will be incorporated. The discussion period
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113 will be for a period of 21 days after which the first CFV will be
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114 issued.
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